Jimmy Butler trade rumors

[Split T]

I’d be very surprised if 2031 isn’t already in the offer…it’s probably going to whoever takes Beal though and that’s not Miami…more likely Miami is holding out for Dunn or to be the team to get the 2031 pick.

I guess we'll see. '31 and Dunn is an outrageous price when you are getting 35yo Butler. But then again, Ishbia paid for Durant and Beal, so it wouldn't surprise me.

I would draw the line at Dunn..I’d give 2031 but not Dunn

[Superbone]

I’d be very surprised if 2031 isn’t already in the offer…it’s probably going to whoever takes Beal though and that’s not Miami…more likely Miami is holding out for Dunn or to be the team to get the 2031 pick.

I guess we'll see. '31 and Dunn is an outrageous price when you are getting 35yo Butler. But then again, Ishbia paid for Durant and Beal, so it wouldn't surprise me.

I would draw the line at Dunn..I’d give 2031 but not Dunn

Nope, wouldn't want to be out-Dunn by Riley.

[Cap]

I’d be very surprised if 2031 isn’t already in the offer…it’s probably going to whoever takes Beal though and that’s not Miami…more likely Miami is holding out for Dunn or to be the team to get the 2031 pick.

I guess we'll see. '31 and Dunn is an outrageous price when you are getting 35yo Butler. But then again, Ishbia paid for Durant and Beal, so it wouldn't surprise me.

I would draw the line at Dunn..I’d give 2031 but not Dunn

Man, the price some are willing to pay just to get past the play in… We’re not going anywhere in the near future and we’re not going to generate any happy memories. I can’t imagine any scenario in which you are happy in the 2030’s that we gave up the ‘31 pick for a year or three of Old Butler in the mid 20’s.

This is Ishbia mentality. We’ll worry about the future when we get there. Now is all that exists.

[Gladiator]

No to the 2031 pick. Hell no to Dunn being any part of a Butler deal.

[Split T]

I’d be very surprised if 2031 isn’t already in the offer…it’s probably going to whoever takes Beal though and that’s not Miami…more likely Miami is holding out for Dunn or to be the team to get the 2031 pick.

I guess we'll see. '31 and Dunn is an outrageous price when you are getting 35yo Butler. But then again, Ishbia paid for Durant and Beal, so it wouldn't surprise me.

I would draw the line at Dunn..I’d give 2031 but not Dunn

Man, the price some are willing to pay just to get past the play in… We’re not going anywhere in the near future and we’re not going to generate any happy memories. I can’t imagine any scenario in which you are happy in the 2030’s that we gave up the ‘31 pick for a year or two of Old Butler in the mid 20’s.

I mean I’ve explained myself many times…you don’t have much of an imagination if you can’t see a single scenario.

For starters, 2031 is far enough away that we can try this out for 2 years, pivot and rebuild and have a good team again by then. What if that pick is the 28th pick in the draft?

Jimmy Butler is still a very good basketball player. What if he gives us 3 years? Did we regret trading for mid 30s CP3? I know we gave up a lot for KD, but if we gave up DA/Crowder and the 2029 1st…would that have been fine? He was also in his mid 30s…Beal and a future 1st is not that big of a price for a top 20 player.

Lastly, I think trading Beal for Jimmy actually makes it easier to rebuild. There’s a path we get out of the 2nd apron because of it and we now have a better asset to trade if we decide to blow it up. Beal returns nothing asset wise, Jimmy would.

[Mori Chu]

And if '31's already in the offer, Pat should hold out for Dunn.

We can't include Dunn in any Beal/Butler deal; we are not allowed to combine players because we are over the 2nd apron. I am sure you know that, so I assume you're describing some kind of multi-deal arrangement where Beal/Butler is deal #1 and Dunn/banthafodder is deal #2. But that's also technically not legal by the CBA, to tie one transaction to another. They could get in big trouble for wink-wink agreeing to such a thing because it would be completely obvious to the NBA that we had done so, given that the two transactions would come back-to-back. So I don't think they will do any such thing. Dunn is off the table in any Beal/Butler trade because of this and Miami cannot "hold out" for him.

[Carno]

As someone said, Riley may just refuse to send Butler to the Suns. It's not just about ego. Giving in sets precedent for future players to demand trades.

Also,
No to '31. No to Dunn. I like Butler for this team, but not at that price.

[Mori Chu]

I mean I’ve explained myself many times…you don’t have much of an imagination if you can’t see a single scenario.

For starters, 2031 is far enough away that we can try this out for 2 years, pivot and rebuild and have a good team again by then. What if that pick is the 28th pick in the draft?

Tell me, how do we "pivot and rebuild" if we have no good players on the team and no draft picks for a decade? Rebuilding isn't just some magical thing you can decide to do whenever you want. You typically rebuild by doing the following things:

- sell off good players on your roster for future assets such as younger players and draft picks
- allow your team to be worse and lose games so that your own future draft picks will be earlier in the draft

If the Suns sell a decade's worth of 1st rounders for old men who then age out and suck or leave the team or retire, how do they do either of the above bullets? We won't have good players to sell off, and we can't just let ourselves lose games / tank because we won't have the picks.

The only real valuable asset we would have after 2-3 years would be Booker, and yes trading him would bring in assets, but then we would have a terrible team and would not own any of our draft picks, so some other franchise like Houston or Brooklyn would get all the great lottery picks that would come from that losing. And that would be a catastrophe.

[Split T]

And if '31's already in the offer, Pat should hold out for Dunn.

We can't include Dunn in any Beal/Butler deal; we are not allowed to combine players because we are over the 2nd apron. I am sure you know that, so I assume you're describing some kind of multi-deal arrangement where Beal/Butler is deal #1 and Dunn/banthafodder is deal #2. But that's also technically not legal by the CBA, to tie one transaction to another. They could get in big trouble for wink-wink agreeing to such a thing because it would be completely obvious to the NBA that we had done so, given that the two transactions would come back-to-back. So I don't think they will do any such thing. Dunn is off the table in any Beal/Butler trade because of this and Miami cannot "hold out" for him.

That’s not true. We can attach Dunn as long as the trade works salary wise separately. You can’t aggregate salaries to trade for a higher salary, but you can trade two players as long as the trade works for both teams. Beal makes enough to take on Butler without any added salary. Dunn for a vet min would also work. So it would be legal…

[Split T]

I mean I’ve explained myself many times…you don’t have much of an imagination if you can’t see a single scenario.

For starters, 2031 is far enough away that we can try this out for 2 years, pivot and rebuild and have a good team again by then. What if that pick is the 28th pick in the draft?

Tell me, how do we "pivot and rebuild" if we have no good players on the team and no draft picks for a decade? Rebuilding isn't just some magical thing you can decide to do whenever you want. You typically rebuild by doing the following things:

- sell off good players on your roster for future assets such as younger players and draft picks
- allow your team to be worse and lose games so that your own future draft picks will be earlier in the draft

If the Suns sell a decade's worth of 1st rounders for old men who then age out and suck or leave the team or retire, how do they do either of the above bullets? We won't have good players to sell off, and we can't just let ourselves lose games / tank because we won't have the picks.

The only real valuable asset we would have after 2-3 years would be Booker, and yes trading him would bring in assets, but then we would have a terrible team and would not own any of our draft picks, so some other franchise like Houston or Brooklyn would get all the great lottery picks that would come from that losing. And that would be a catastrophe.

You simply trade KD and/or Booker to Houston for young players and our picks back.

[Superbone]

So simple. Even a caveman could do it.

[Split T]

I mean Houston has been begging for us to do it. It’s the whole reason they traded for our picks and there was a report on Twitter today.

[Cap]

And if '31's already in the offer, Pat should hold out for Dunn.

We can't include Dunn in any Beal/Butler deal; we are not allowed to combine players because we are over the 2nd apron. I am sure you know that, so I assume you're describing some kind of multi-deal arrangement where Beal/Butler is deal #1 and Dunn/banthafodder is deal #2. But that's also technically not legal by the CBA, to tie one transaction to another. They could get in big trouble for wink-wink agreeing to such a thing because it would be completely obvious to the NBA that we had done so, given that the two transactions would come back-to-back. So I don't think they will do any such thing. Dunn is off the table in any Beal/Butler trade because of this and Miami cannot "hold out" for him.

So then this:

July 11, 2023

Traded Isaiah Todd, a 2024 1st round draft pick and a 2030 1st round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies for a 2028 2nd round draft pick and a 2029 2nd round draft pick. 2024 1st-rd pick was a right to swap, did not convey 2030 1st-rd pick is a right to swap 2028 2nd-rd pick is MEM own 2029 2nd-rd pick is MEM own

was not just completing the Beal trade? We actually traded two swaps for two #2s?

[Split T]

We actually got 3 2nds, but yes that was a separate trade…and the 2024 swap already proved to be nothing…so it’s down to one pick swap for 3 2nds

[Kryptonic]

January 15. 7 game suspension ends for Jimmy.

January 15. When Gambo said suns will reevaluate their team for a trade.

January 15. When Claxton is eligible for a trade

Curious..... It's almost here.

Something's gonna go down around the 15th that's for sure!!

Or it may not. These things take time. But sometimes they don't take a lot of time talks accelerate quickly. And sometimes there's no talk. Be patient! You will soon see what will or will not happen!

It’s the 16th…. I can’t believe you lied to me. Flex from Jersey you’re not….

[specialsauce]

January 15. 7 game suspension ends for Jimmy.

January 15. When Gambo said suns will reevaluate their team for a trade.

January 15. When Claxton is eligible for a trade

Curious..... It's almost here.

Something's gonna go down around the 15th that's for sure!!

Or it may not. These things take time. But sometimes they don't take a lot of time talks accelerate quickly. And sometimes there's no talk. Be patient! You will soon see what will or will not happen!

It’s the 16th…. I can’t believe you lied to me. Flex from Jersey you’re not….

Listen bro, conversations are happening, things are fluid!! They may solidify but they may stay fluid or shit may get gassy!! Family over everything, love is love!!!

[Split T]

If we do end up moving Beal, I’d give TyTy a look. He’s tearing up the G league…

24/4/4 on 53/44/89 shooting

[Wally_West]

If we do end up moving Beal, I’d give TyTy a look. He’s tearing up the G league…

24/4/4 on 53/44/89 shooting

What’s the rules with signing 2-Ways? Can we give them rookie scale contracts? I very much want to keep Colin and Tyty. I think Colin could be a solid back up pg right now. That’s my hope for him next year anyways. Especially if we can keep him for multiple years.

[Split T]

If we do end up moving Beal, I’d give TyTy a look. He’s tearing up the G league…

24/4/4 on 53/44/89 shooting

What’s the rules with signing 2-Ways? Can we give them rookie scale contracts? I very much want to keep Colin and Tyty. I think Colin could be a solid back up pg right now. That’s my hope for him next year anyways. Especially if we can keep him for multiple years.

They all have built in ways to convert to a regular deal. I don’t know if that goes beyond this year though. I believe we can make a QO though and make them restricted FA? I’ll have to check on that

[SunsShine]

Would anyone be surprised to see the Suns deal either Royce or Grayson for picks to sweeten the deal for Butler?