All Things Ayton
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I’m a little worried about our C rotation come playoff time, but I’m not worried that it doesn’t include Ayton. For all the worrying about our defense with Nurkic, we’ve been a top 10 defense so far. His shooting and finishing has been bad, but it’ll get better just by simple regression to the mean and by playing more with the Big <=3 when they get healthy.
I was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
I was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
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Maybe he fixed it for you but not for me. I watched this game. Ayton was same old Ayton. Shrunk down the stretch while JJJ and Bane took over.
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
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Nurkic’s finishing and decision making in the paint have been freaking brutal. That’s my biggest concern right now.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:09 pmI’m a little worried about our C rotation come playoff time, but I’m not worried that it doesn’t include Ayton. For all the worrying about our defense with Nurkic, we’ve been a top 10 defense so far. His shooting and finishing has been bad, but it’ll get better just by simple regression to the mean and by playing more with the Big <=3 when they get healthy.
I was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
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I've watched parts or all of every game he's played. He's the same guy he's always been. I give him credit when he plays well and mock him when he doesn't.
I was riding in a car with a Blazers fan last Saturday and he had the first Memphis/Portland playing on his phone. Ayton went soft to the rim with a layup attempt on fast break that was easily blocked and I just told my friend that he'd better get used to seeing that stuff.
I was riding in a car with a Blazers fan last Saturday and he had the first Memphis/Portland playing on his phone. Ayton went soft to the rim with a layup attempt on fast break that was easily blocked and I just told my friend that he'd better get used to seeing that stuff.
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Ya…it has been bad. We are asking him to play a different role than he has in the past and he’s doing it without all the weapons. I’m going to wait until we see the full picture before I make any conclusions. Preseason, I know, but it looked very good with everyone healthy.Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:15 pmNurkic’s finishing and decision making in the paint have been freaking brutal. That’s my biggest concern right now.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:09 pmI’m a little worried about our C rotation come playoff time, but I’m not worried that it doesn’t include Ayton. For all the worrying about our defense with Nurkic, we’ve been a top 10 defense so far. His shooting and finishing has been bad, but it’ll get better just by simple regression to the mean and by playing more with the Big <=3 when they get healthy.
I was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
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It was mainly a lack of offense, which is what Chauncey said after the game. Nobody could buy a hoop, not even Ayton--lots of good looks and in-and-out shots. Ayton missed his last three attempts in the 4th.
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You enjoy watching this more?Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:17 pmI've watched parts or all of every game he's played. He's the same guy he's always been. I give him credit when he plays well and mock him when he doesn't.
I was riding in a car with a Blazers fan last Saturday and he had the first Memphis/Portland playing on his phone. Ayton went soft to the rim with a layup attempt on fast break that was easily blocked and I just told my friend that he'd better get used to seeing that stuff.
MISS Nurkic 2' Dunk
04:15
MISS Nurkic 2' Layup
03:53
Nurkic REBOUND (Off:1 Def:2)
03:52
MISS Nurkic 3' Reverse Layup
03:50
All within 25 seconds
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
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Before the season you said he was our 4th best player. So shouldn't he be our 2nd best player now (with Book and Beal out)?Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:18 pmYa…it has been bad. We are asking him to play a different role than he has in the past and he’s doing it without all the weapons. I’m going to wait until we see the full picture before I make any conclusions. Preseason, I know, but it looked very good with everyone healthy.Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:15 pmNurkic’s finishing and decision making in the paint have been freaking brutal. That’s my biggest concern right now.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:09 pmI’m a little worried about our C rotation come playoff time, but I’m not worried that it doesn’t include Ayton. For all the worrying about our defense with Nurkic, we’ve been a top 10 defense so far. His shooting and finishing has been bad, but it’ll get better just by simple regression to the mean and by playing more with the Big <=3 when they get healthy.
I was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
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Those numbers can be deceptive. Eubanks have been playing great, but he's playing mostly against backups. If you start him or let him finish games, he'll be playing against the other team's starters and best players, and he may not be as efficient or productive. But I agree that he's doing really well to start the season. Big fan of that signing.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:09 pmI was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
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Yeah it's too bad Ayton couldn't even average 14 and 11 in his second season.MightyMoog wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:55 amDetroit has a nice young core. It really all depends on if Cade can pop and become an all-star type leader for them. Duren is what we imagined Ayton to be and Ausar looks promising.
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I kinda put him there by default as the 4th starter. He’s definitely behind EG and Allen for me. So he stays 4th when they enter the starting lineup.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:04 pmBefore the season you said he was our 4th best player. So shouldn't he be our 2nd best player now (with Book and Beal out)?Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:18 pmYa…it has been bad. We are asking him to play a different role than he has in the past and he’s doing it without all the weapons. I’m going to wait until we see the full picture before I make any conclusions. Preseason, I know, but it looked very good with everyone healthy.Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:15 pmNurkic’s finishing and decision making in the paint have been freaking brutal. That’s my biggest concern right now.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:09 pmI’m a little worried about our C rotation come playoff time, but I’m not worried that it doesn’t include Ayton. For all the worrying about our defense with Nurkic, we’ve been a top 10 defense so far. His shooting and finishing has been bad, but it’ll get better just by simple regression to the mean and by playing more with the Big <=3 when they get healthy.
I was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
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Some of it is that for sure, but he’s part of 4 of our 5 best 5-man lineups via net rating…a few are small sample size for sure(really all of them), but not all are bench units. Here they are:Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:11 pmThose numbers can be deceptive. Eubanks have been playing great, but he's playing mostly against backups. If you start him or let him finish games, he'll be playing against the other team's starters and best players, and he may not be as efficient or productive. But I agree that he's doing really well to start the season. Big fan of that signing.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:09 pmI was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
+63 in 4 minutes: Gordon, Booker, Okogie, KD, Eubanks
+55 in 9 minutes: Gordon, Allen, Okogie, KD, Eubanks
+37 in 9 minutes: Goodwin, Allen, Okogie, KD, Eubanks
+34 in 17 minutes: Goodwin, Yuta, Little, KD, Eubanks
Maybe it’s just because he’s playing with KD a lot, haha.
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Deandre Ayton:
#1 rebounds per game
#5 steals per game
#3 Defensive rating
#1 Defensive Win Shares
#1 Defensive rebound Pct
#1 Total rebound Pct
#4 Steal Pct
#1 rebounds per game
#5 steals per game
#3 Defensive rating
#1 Defensive Win Shares
#1 Defensive rebound Pct
#1 Total rebound Pct
#4 Steal Pct
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
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He’s getting a lot of rebounds and steals…The rebounds should be sustainable…I doubt the steals are…but maybe he’s made a major shift in how he plays. His steal rate in Phoenix was 1.1…he’s at 3.7 right now. Seems like a sample size error, but we’ll see.
He’s also somehow setting career lows in free throw rate(in fact only 9 guys in the nba have a lower rate and 6 are guards…3 forwards). He also has careers lows in field goal attempts, usage rate, and a career high in turnover rate. Plus barely above his career low in TS%
It’s a mixed bag for sure. But it does seem like he’s quite engaged on the defensive end at least…and the boards.
He’s also somehow setting career lows in free throw rate(in fact only 9 guys in the nba have a lower rate and 6 are guards…3 forwards). He also has careers lows in field goal attempts, usage rate, and a career high in turnover rate. Plus barely above his career low in TS%
It’s a mixed bag for sure. But it does seem like he’s quite engaged on the defensive end at least…and the boards.
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So it seems it was never about offensive opportunity to keep him engaged, and it's always been up to him to more consistently play hard.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:35 amHe’s also somehow setting career lows in free throw rate(in fact only 9 guys in the nba have a lower rate and 6 are guards…3 forwards). He also has careers lows in field goal attempts, usage rate, and a career high in turnover rate. Plus barely above his career low in TS%
It’s a mixed bag for sure. But it does seem like he’s quite engaged on the defensive end at least…and the boards.
Sounds like what a lot of us said for the two previous seasons when his super fans wanted to create every excuse possible for him when he loafed around.
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Ya we’ll see how long he stays engaged if he keeps getting 8 shots a game
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Would have been the perfect Ayton for the Suns, in all honesty. Garbage man on offense, all nba defender.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:35 amHe’s getting a lot of rebounds and steals…The rebounds should be sustainable…I doubt the steals are…but maybe he’s made a major shift in how he plays. His steal rate in Phoenix was 1.1…he’s at 3.7 right now. Seems like a sample size error, but we’ll see.
He’s also somehow setting career lows in free throw rate(in fact only 9 guys in the nba have a lower rate and 6 are guards…3 forwards). He also has careers lows in field goal attempts, usage rate, and a career high in turnover rate. Plus barely above his career low in TS%
It’s a mixed bag for sure. But it does seem like he’s quite engaged on the defensive end at least…and the boards.
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Why are we surprised? The Portland fans told us so. Keep him in the high post as a shooter and passer.Shabazz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:15 pmNurkic’s finishing and decision making in the paint have been freaking brutal. That’s my biggest concern right now.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:09 pmI’m a little worried about our C rotation come playoff time, but I’m not worried that it doesn’t include Ayton. For all the worrying about our defense with Nurkic, we’ve been a top 10 defense so far. His shooting and finishing has been bad, but it’ll get better just by simple regression to the mean and by playing more with the Big <=3 when they get healthy.
I was looking at some lineup data this morning and I am intrigued that Eubanks has some pretty good numbers. Maybe he ends up being the answer. I would feel better if we could find someone to trust as a small ball 5. KBD and Metu seem to be the options on the roster right now.
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He’s been even worse than he was for Portland